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Post by RoamingCat on Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:29 am

About a year ago, maybe a bit longer, I was in a chat talking about this sexual deviance we seem to share... somehow the topic of race was brought up.

And here we go, although it is impossible to have exact stats on this, it is my belief that this tendency is highest in hindu/indians and whites (Tie). Asians would be next. Hispanic/Latino would be third (fourth?) and then waaay at the bottom it would be blacks.

This has been my observation but there is no data anywhere that could give us anything conclusive. If I had to hypothesize, I would say asians and indians/hindus have a high tendency towards it because their culture holds sexuality as very taboo and they are not allowed to express themselves freely, so they begin to develop deviant thoughts. This is very similar to how I got started in this but I have known many others.

Whites ... I honestly don't know, it might be because white women are the most attractive women of all, according to every single dating system ever created; I speak of course of white women being the most desired and pursued by men of all races, with asian women coming in a close second every time. Perhaps that is the cause? but it could also be that white women have bought into feminism the hardest and have raised a generation of young men that have developed a certain weakness.... this weakness is a scratch they must itch  and this is one way.

I am not very familiar with blacks, but from the ones I've spoken to, I would imagine that the reason it is extremely unlikely in black communities is that blacks have a very "proactive" and "dominant" culture. They tend to have a problem with authority and certainly would not let someone else come out ahead against them, at least not without a brawl prior. What I find interesting is that , not most, not even half , but a good number of stories where an older woman was having sex with a young man, involves a black or half black woman. It seems black men fully reject this idea, but black women do not. It is very fascinating to me.


Now here is where the discussion turned into an untennable debate; Everyone aside from me argued and insisted again and again, that the percentage of thought and practice of this, is exactly equal across all races. I find that to be absurd and impossible, and yet many people sincerely believe this to be the case.


What are your thoughts?
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Re: How often these thoughts pop up - The racial divide

Post by wannabe on Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:17 am

This is an interesting topic for sure. It's also not too easy to discuss considering the low level of interest across the board along with it's very taboo nature. I would agree that this is a somewhat culturally influenced fetish. I cannot speak to any other person's motives but my own, though.
I am a white male in my 30's. I have no attraction to my own mother and in fact do not insert her into my fantasies at all. I do have some existing feelings of abandonment from her due to a few year period in my early teens and I feel like this was a huge factor in this fetish for me. I also pined over this "perfect" girl in my high school years that had an emotional relationship with me while fucking pretty much all my friends and my step brother.

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Post by Betrayal on Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:34 pm

Generalizations ahead

Great topic. It's pretty funny how it seems to go from order of attractiveness of the women: Whites, then Asians, then Latinas, then Black at the bottom. This hierarchy is pretty much accepted throughout the world although there are of course exceptions to the rule.

White women are most represented as the milfs in out society, both in just regular media like those stupid housewife tv shows and also porn. The first woman to be coined a milf was a blonde white woman Jennifer Coolidge.

Asian women have been fetishized for quite some time and age just as well if not better than white women IMO. Helps that in Japan the milf genre is extremely popular and exported to other countries.

Latinas right now might just be the most popular women on earth, although that's probably due to the hot women on tv and the internet who by no means represent the looks of all of them. But like Asian women they can age extremely well, some nationalities/mixes more than others. One look at Telemundo or Univision will show you how perfect looking even older latinas can be.

Black women are usually thought to be the least attractive of all women, both because of looks and personalities. Don't want to get into all of that but that's unfortunately the stigma they have to deal with. Not alot of milfs really representing them, though I'm sure they're out there, like Pam Grier.

Now when it comes to why males of these races would have such fetishes, it's alot more difficult for me to decipher. I mean I have ideas.

Alot of white males grow up having hot moms, yeah, but it seems to affect some differently than others. You mentioned the thing about feminism and yeah it does kinda sense. White males seem to be simultaneously the most beta and alpha men at the same time in the current year. Yeah there's alot of white milksops who let people step all over them but there are also plenty of Chads too. I mean they're still considered the most desirable men by most women. Honestly I think it's a masochistic thing for white dudes, though not being white myself I don't want to speak for them. This might also be a factor for the ones who love watching black men fuck white women in general.

Asian and indian guys I think tend to be momma's boys. Even if their mom isn't "hot" seeing her do slutty things is probably like a dagger to the heart. So maybe it isn't the conventional "love to see my hot mom get fucked" thing but moreso "how could the most important woman in the world be such a slut" type of thing. Don't really know but yeah really noticed indian dudes love mom netorare.

Being latino, I think any other latino guys into this fetish probably grew up with both a hot/young mom and also aggressive latino/black friends, which obviously isn't the best combination. But the thing is, latino males (like blacks) don't really seem to be into masochism as much and instead are into machismo instead. So I really can't see alot into netorare as much. I guess it would affect more weaker latinos who didn't grow up with a good father figure more.

Now with blacks it's a similar case. Not black so again don't want to talk for them but they seem to be about actually getting laid. Don't think they would be into the rejection aspect of netorare at all. But like latinos, if a black male was weaker mentally or physically and grew up with a hot mom, I guess I could see it happening.

Just my thoughts.

I hope this thread actually picks up and we get some Asian/Indian/Black guys commenting in here. Really love to hear their thoughts.
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Re: How often these thoughts pop up - The racial divide

Post by RoamingCat on Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:44 am

wannabe wrote:  I also pined over this "perfect" girl in my high school years that had an emotional relationship with me while fucking pretty much all my friends and my step brother.  

We've all been there man, it sucks and I know exactly how you feel. Unfortunately that kind of incident can mark one's developmental phase of life. Specifically socialization with others when it comes to forming deep interpersonal bonds. It has always been a mystery to me how women can actively claim that they cannot "find a man" when there are men throwing themselves at the women nearly 24/7... good men even. I know a ton of hard working, reliable, reasonably successful guys that would never ditch the woman, assault her, cheat on her or any of that jazz. It's almost as if the litmus test for women about what man to select is "Is this a bad choice? if so, then I pick him" .... this is somewhat meant  to be a joke but only half-joke.

In my personal life , there is nothing more annoying than seeing women talk amongst themselves about how "evil" men are and how they are all "cheaters" , "wife beaters" or "lazy" (because they don't want to work, see), when it is the women themselves actively looking for these types..... grrrr, I don't mind their choices, I mind their complaints. Yeah that was a long tangent, let's go back to the topic at hand.

Anyway it's like the (very) old joke goes;
A slut is a woman that sleeps with everyone.
A cunt is a woman that sleeps with everyone but you.

Bit of gallows humor for you there.... I also pursued a wonderful girl during my youth...got nothing out of it but a couple of wasted years and massive amounts of regret. I don't blame the girl , or society, I blame myself and only myself for not realizing quicker that the way to win is to play the number's game. Becoming fixated is a terrible move.
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Re: How often these thoughts pop up - The racial divide

Post by cepheus on Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:19 pm

Yes, indians and asias are first because their sexuality is repressed about society.

Porn can tells us that a lot of whites loves to watch black men with huge cocks fucking white woman. Why? This is interesting. Personally i don't like, maybe because im not american.
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Post by wannabe on Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:01 pm

Cepheus, I think you hit on something there about American's liking interracial porn. I think a lot of our taboos are derived from cultural influences. Black men in America, in particular, have had a stigma about them for generations and this has led to them being fetishized in many fashions. I think most of these fetishes have been derived from racist stereotypes. White men have been scared of big, horny black men stealing their women since we used them as farm equipment. I think there is a subset of this cuckold fetish that likes to see the woman degraded somehow and being used or taken or worse GIVING herself to a man of "lower" status is a good way to do that. Conversely we're all aware of the modern stereotype of black men being aggressive and having big dicks, both of these qualities being essential for most of our fantasy bullies/bulls.
I agree that sexual repression is a cause for a lot of these fetishes that we collectively enjoy, I know it is for me personally. My mother is an extremely innocent woman, very sexually naive. I also have some abandonment issues from a few years of neglect from her (due to an addiction). I feel like both of these factors contributed to how I view my relationships with women. I wonder if others here are more or less likely to have the same kind of mothers? I also prefer (as discussed in another thread on here) the mothers in my bullymom stories to go from innocent to corrupted.
Anyway I think I'm just rambling now. I do love the conversations we've been having lately.

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Post by RoamingCat on Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:05 pm

I think most of these fetishes have been derived from racist stereotypes.

This is really not the place to get into that discussion. I fear that even in a place where we discuss hardcore sexual deviance, even here, moderators would be displeased if we get into the behavior of the black community and how people view them because of it but I hope they will view this as the neutral discussion it is meant to be.

A very short summary of why you're wrong: Blacks are a very small minority of the U.S. and commit the vast majority of crimes. We're not talking about 100 years ago, we're talking about today. It's not racism to say this fact but my point is , for behavior derived from this information to be racist, the information would have to be false.

For example, I am hispanic/latino, if you tell me that most hispanics are religious nutjobs and highly inconsistent with their practice of religion, I'd have to say yes. I'm an atheist but if I were really pressed on the issue, I'd have to admit I was raised with catholic values, baptism, first communion, confirmation and all that shit... but I have never willingly gone to church, I don't read the bible and I certainly don't believe in god of any type and yet, if pressed I will admit that a lot of my character was molded by catholicism and might even say that I am one (A terrible one lol). My point is, you are attributing to racism what could be adequately explained by behavior. Stereotypes that are consistently true are just trends.

Racism is unjustified belief and dislike of a group of people and that's not what this is.

White men have been scared of big, horny black men stealing their women since we used them as farm equipment.

But if that were true, why are asian men not viewed the same way? asians were enslaved even more brutally than blacks and yet no one brings it up. I think the simple explanation is blacks are statistically larger, heavier and more aggressive than any group of men due to higher testosterone.

Likewise, black women tend to be the most aggressive and have the most masculine features. On the opposite end of the spectrum, asian women are the most feminine and asian men the least masculine which very much lines up with our understanding of physiology. Basically I don't think it has anything to do with slavery but rather, it has everything to do with height, weight and aggression.

Conversely we're all aware of the modern stereotype of black men being aggressive and having big dicks

Again I don't think you're using the word stereotype correctly. The terms you're probably thinking of are tendency, predisposition or proclivity.

It is my understanding that stereotypes are ascended myths that originally had a drip of truth to them but have escalated into the fantastical. That is to say, something many people believe to be true but that has little or no basis in reality, yet the things you are calling stereotypes are pretty much confirmed.


Now getting back to the topic at hand, I have noticed an uptick in cuck fetishes in the United States and in this uptick, a large focus is on black men taking white women. If I were to venture a guess why this is, I would again say it's because the United States has the most feminists and the feminists raised a lot of very cucked men. I can at least vouch for the hispanic/latino community having a low tendency towards the "Man see's his wife cuck him with BBC!!!" style of fetish and can give a very easy explanation, hispanic men are very possessive, very jealous compared to other types and there is a strong sense of pride that comes with having your woman be yours, but there is another component.

Cuck fetish isn't common among hispanic men because hispanic women are pretty damn slutty. They are , in my opinion, the most overtly sexual women of all races. So it isn't that big of a deal if you lose your woman and have to find a new one, at least that is my explanation for it. This is partly the reason why in so many spanish speaking countries, women are so possessive of their husbands (See: Brazil, Argentina, Panama, Colombia, etc.)
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Re: How often these thoughts pop up - The racial divide

Post by RoamingCat on Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:26 pm

It's pretty funny how it seems to go from order of attractiveness of the women: Whites, then Asians, then Latinas, then Black at the bottom. This hierarchy is pretty much accepted throughout the world although there are of course exceptions to the rule.


I find it fascinating that it can be so consistent throughout the world. At the same time, that's how I would rate the attractiveness of women when breaking it down to racial groups but what I don't understand is why most men do too.

Though it would mostly be a tie for me when it comes to white/asian women....

Asian women have been fetishized

What does that mean exactly? I think asian women are just desired for their perceived "wanting and able to please" nature and their fairly diminutive size compared to other types of women.

Latinas right now might just be the most popular women on earth, although that's probably due to the hot women on tv and the internet who by no means represent the looks of all of them.

I somewhat agree.

Maybe I am "biased" against them because I am hispanic/latino myself but, ehhh... I like them but don't understand the popularity. It is undeserved in my opinion.

I mean they're still considered the most desirable men by most women.

THAT ... is absolutely a mystery to me.

I see women of all races talk trash about white men nonstop but it is as you say, they are the most desirable by women's own admission. It is very confusing. I would love if a woman were here to explain what the thought process is because it completely evades me, I don't say that in a "They're stupid" way, I say that in a "I would like to understand this better" type way.

Asian and indian guys I think tend to be momma's boys.

Now that you mention it, the asian guys I've known do tend to be momma's boys.

I can't believe I had never put that together....

I hope this thread actually picks up and we get some Asian/Indian/Black guys commenting in here

I'd rather see some women, especially asian, chime in but I know that that is impossible.

I am also certain that there are several indian men here so that will be interesting. It is my understanding that there is a very extreme caste system at play in india which only adds to the forbidden nature of these taboo fantasies, but maybe I'm way wrong ,we'll see.
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Post by wannabe on Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:45 pm

Dammit man, I'm trying to jerk off and you have me thinking about arguing with your racist bullshit. Keep it on topic.

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Post by Greatest-Love on Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:02 am

wannabe wrote:Dammit man, I'm trying to jerk off and you have me thinking about arguing with your racist bullshit.  Keep it on topic.
Fortunately for me, racist bullshit is sort of a turn-on, so I just read what he writes as a fantasy piece. If it works, it works.

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Post by RoamingCat on Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:34 am

wannabe wrote:Dammit man, I'm trying to jerk off and you have me thinking about arguing with your racist bullshit.

Well gee, I'm pretty sure there is a section called "Fapping materials" .

I know you're joking, but nothing stated thus far has been 'racist'. I'd also be somewhat horrified if I knew anyone masturbated to what *I* type. I have a very unexciting typing style.
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Post by Betrayal on Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:50 pm

wannabe wrote:Dammit man, I'm trying to jerk off and you have me thinking about arguing with your racist bullshit.  Keep it on topic.
What's been racist so far? Most porn forums are completely unPC when it comes to discussing race. I've think we've kept it pretty civil, though I did generalize a bit in my post.
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Post by RoamingCat on Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:02 pm

Betrayal wrote:
wannabe wrote:Dammit man, I'm trying to jerk off and you have me thinking about arguing with your racist bullshit.  Keep it on topic.
What's been racist so far? Most porn forums are completely unPC when it comes to discussing race. I've think we've kept it pretty civil, though I did generalize a bit in my post.

I would be interested in the answer to that question too.

I thought that so far we've kept the topic quite reasonable. That being said, people that falsely cry 'racism' should be punished just as harshly as people that actually display extremely racist behavior. In my opinion of course.

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It's like young people today do not even understand the concept of 1984... or more contemporarily, "The Drumhead" from Star Trek TNG where innuendo was used to condemn innocent men. It is equally as important to ferret out that kind of person as it is the kind of person they claim exists. [Yes, you got me, I am a nerd]
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Post by wannabe on Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:04 pm

I'm not on here to push my agenda or views on anybody and I don't think any of us are here to discuss racial issues.
I have no malice towards you RoamingCat or Betrayal (and you specifically didn't say anything that bothered me at all Betrayal).
I think there are so few of us into this fetish that we should strive to find common ground. Also to add further, I really appreciate what both of you do for this forum, it would be dead without both of you. RoamingCat you always tend to bring up some very interesting topics.

To stay on topic, I'll ask the question: does it turn you on more or less for the bully in our fantasies to be the same ethnicity as you? or from the same country? does that even matter at all?  Do you prefer if the bull is of a higher social standing or lower?

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Re: How often these thoughts pop up - The racial divide

Post by Betrayal on Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:48 pm

No harm done buddy.

Yeah I actually mentioned how I feel about the racial aspect of this fetish back in an old thread Cat made http://bullyrebuild.forumotion.com/t7-the-racial-element
It may seem weird but I am actually much more turned on by white bullies than black or any other race. I know porn seems to really over represent black dudes as bulls but I'm not really into that. I mean most hot girls/women in real life still prefer whites, the bbc thing is more a fantasy than anything else, albeit one white males created.
But yeah seeing latinas with white males really turns me on for some reason, so I never look down on white males who get off on watching blacks with white women. Honestly I think it goes back to the colonization of America for me. Most latinas have at least a bit of Native American in them and we all know how white Europeans came to the New World and had their way with the women while killing a lot of the men. Power means ALOT to women and to this day I'm almost 100% sure this is why nearly all women prefer whites.

Social standing doesn't matter at all to me but I grew up in poorer neighborhoods so I guess it would be a lower standing?
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Post by RoamingCat on Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:32 pm

Betrayal wrote:It may seem weird but I am actually much more turned on by white bullies than black or any other race.

That's actually very interesting.

You explained your reasoning which is solid, but I would have guessed it has to do with , and we're getting into very lax territory here "White bullying" is a lot more about psychological dominance whereas "Black bullying" is more about physical dominance.   There's a lot you can do about physical dominance in a direct way but psychological dominance is way more pervasive and difficult to deter.

For example, a lot of times in captions, stories and even porn, this is often the tendecy that is represented most clearly.

Another example if you browse a lot of indian litetorica type sites, you will find that the breaking of social taboos and castes tends to play a big factor. Most of that stuff goes over my head because  the caste system and social norms of indian are things that I don't fully understand, but the dominance tends to be depicted as someone that is ALLOWED to do things that the regular guy cannot even if the bully is unrefined, unintelligent, disgusting or cruel whereas the main guy is helpess in a society that and family that restricts and hates him (Even though in my opinion, the stories have a strong undercurrent of class warfare, where these special classes are almost always depicted as stupid or evil)....  and so the bullying happens almost as a consequence or "Right" that the bully deserves IN SPITE of what he is........ which is insane to me but hey, each country is different, yeah? maybe I'm totally off and the authors of the stories I've read are way off the mark.... so that's why I mentioned earlier that I'd love to hear from an actual guy from india. It could be that I'm just completely misunderstanding the stories the authors are trying to represent , I don't know. I would legitimately love to learn more.

Anyway the TYPE of dominance I think varies greatly based on race and nation of origin , is what I'm saying, in this case it comes entirely from race (white/black) , I hypothesize.

I don't think any of us are here to discuss racial issues.

I would like to respectfully disagree but also add, if no one cared , then no one would respond.

Someone asked what you and the other person thought was racist, I have yet to see an answer... I don't think anything racist has been said so far, but if it has, I would like to know so I can correct whatever misconceptions are being pushed. With the possible exception of things I've said about MY community (The hispanic/latino community)  I think I've chosen my words very cautiously.
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Post by wannabe on Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:35 am

My point is that race plays a much smaller role in these fetishes and culture plays a much larger role.

I concede, RoamingCat. You're completely not racist.

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Post by RoamingCat on Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:02 am

wannabe wrote:My point is that race plays a much smaller role in these fetishes and culture plays a much larger role.

I think that is something worth discussing, don't you?

I don't agree with you, but I am not closed to the possibility that you may be right.

I concede, RoamingCat.  You're completely not racist.

Well thanks, that's nice and no harm done/no hard feelings. More to the point though, randomly calling "RACISM" or "RACIST" is really not productive to a conversation, my friendly advice to you is don't do that. It drags down the conversation immensely, I hope the other guy also takes this advice.

For the record if I would be racist, I would totally be an asian supremacist. I'm not asian but I find asians to be very disciplined, ethical, hard working and creative.... also asian women are beautiful, so what's not to love? they also have amazing porn, amazing erotic literature, amazing hentai manga, just.... asians ftw.... ironically I've been called racist before for liking asians, lol. It's very ridiculous.

When that happens, it does give me a chance to use this clip though;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX19-S4-V54
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