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Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by RoamingCat on Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:46 pm

There are scenarios where a mom can feel forced to give up the ass to an undesirable party (Ex: Bully, jerk, etc.) for a greater good. Or perhaps to shield the son from something unfortunate. Another possibility is that she does it to improve the chances of the son of accomplishing something (Ex: Grades, competitions, entering a school, a club, etc.) , there are many reasons, poor judgment from alcohol consumption is also another one. Bottom line is, she doesn't want to do it but she ultimately gives in because she feels for whatever reason she has no choice and must comply.

In other cases, the mother well knows that she is doing something that will completely destroy her son's psyche. Perhaps she does this because the taboo turns her on, or maybe she just enjoys humiliating the son. In this variant, she absolutely does everything of her own free will with no remorse and is not obligated to do anything.


My main trauma comes from being raised by a single mother that even sober, was quite promiscuous (Part of latin culture is basically lots of sex, men have mistresses, women are slutty, this is why our race reproduces so damn fast). Alcohol just ramped her sexuality up to 11, but despite that she always tried to keep me out of it. She failed miserably and I was pretty much always aware but it seemed like she genuinely did not mean to do me any harm and in fact, often times her sexual promiscuity came from honest attempts at improving her and my life, usually failed attempts but point stands. Because of this, non full consent is what I am most interested in.

Which of these do you prefer?

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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by Dreadmac on Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:11 am

For me i'd say it's both to a degree, there's something hot for me about a mom who openly takes your friend or bully in front of her son, as in "Don't be silly, were just going to talk in the bedroom" , you know whats going to happen and it wouldn't matter what you say as she lead's him to her bedroom to 'talk' but she wouldn't openly say and she's not entirely doing it to cause you discomfort or humiliate you that's a taboo bonus there are just times when she lets her own lust and taboo desires over rule her mothering instincts.
The whole screwing over the son's psyche on purpose or enjoying him getting beat up is a bit weird for me, teasing, joking or mocking OK but not the full i wish he wasn't born make his life miserable kind of thing.

But then there's the forced consensual, she doesn't want to do it but she know this will help you in the long run or that's what she's thinking at the time  i.e. helping the son get good grades , stopping a bully from picking on you or putting in a good word with your new boss on your first ever job which are again damn hot for me but it's got to have something else.
The mom has to secretly want it, she's been sexually deprived at home and although it disgusts her what they want her to do there's something in her that say's she deserves to be satisfied as a women that she needs it and wants it and that would make her reluctantly do what they asked.

So although i like both aspects i prefer your second option to a point with the mom openly taking guys but not in a malicious or spiteful way, she's just letting her sexual lust take over and control her maybe with the help of alcohol and you can't help with that. Yes she would enjoy that you know what's going to happen but that wouldn't be the reason she done it.
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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by Betrayal on Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:22 pm

I know it's not realistic but I much prefer the mom being a very low inhibited slut who doesn't give a damn what her son thinks. That's where the humiliation aspect comes into play, bullies are disposable one dimensional characters but the one woman who gave you life betraying you is the ultimate taboo. Nonconsent/rape doesn't turn me on one bit, although tipsy moms are fine like when Stifler's mom first fucked Finch. Her true self came out in that moment, she wasn't taken advantage of.

Just my two cents. It's great that there are so many different facets of this genre it's fans can latch onto.
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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by RoamingCat on Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:03 pm

Dreadmac wrote:there's something hot for me about a mom who openly takes your friend or bully in front of her son, as in "Don't be silly, were just going to talk in the bedroom"

Happened to me and it was quite disturbing, I had a cousin about 5 years older than me, who was constantly causing me torment. I had told her many times that he was hurting me and being a horrid person but she didn't give a fuck. One day during a party, family gatherin thing, I overheard that my mother wanted my cousin to treat me better, and in exchange she'd suck him off, given that he wanted into her panties. This is easy to dismiss as it is general gossip, except later that night they specifically went to her room to "talk" which causes my mind to run rampant.

But then there's the forced consensual, she doesn't want to do it but she know this will help you in the long run or that's what she's thinking at the time  i.e. helping the son get good grades , stopping a bully from picking on you or putting in a good word with your new boss on your first ever job which are again damn hot for me but it's got to have something else.

That's my favorite. Happened to me many times, not necessarily for my benefit but saw her 'forced' into sexual acts for the greater good (Ex: Paying off crucial bills, being let go after breaking the law, saving me from expulsion, etc.).

The mom has to secretly want it, she's been sexually deprived at home and although it disgusts her what they want her to do there's something in her that say's she deserves to be satisfied as a women that she needs it and wants it and that would make her reluctantly do what they asked.

I'm not sure I am in agreement with that. It could just be that she wants to do something good and the price to pay is her ass and her dignity, which is tragic but wonderfully entertaining.
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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by Dreadmac on Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:50 pm

I guess i didn't explain myself properly for the forced consensual as i do find it a turn on, as in it may be completely degrading, humiliating something that goes completely against her normal personality and betrays her dignity and status, but for me there has to be a switch to where she enjoys it and will keep it a secret rather than regretting it and hating herself for what she done.

An hypothetical example for me would be she gets into massive debt due to a banking error or something and gets to high for my mother to pay off , she is house proud, aware of her upper middle class status and of how people few her and she would never want people to know of her situation.
So the debt collector would offer her an alternative of making a certain type of film and her debt would be halved, against everything she believe's she accepts his offer.
This would then become a porn film with my mother and 2+ guys and for my mother who's a missionary only type of person it would only be a deep throat and anal video and beyond her control she would actually start to enjoy the degrading and humiliation of it and begins to orgasm uncontrollably which would be my main turn on, her breaking in a sense and giving into the depravity of it and enjoying it rather then hating or resenting herself.
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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by hop664 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:04 pm

Ideally she's not coerced but she's not a remorseless slut either. She knows it would hurt the son deeply but figures it's okay to indulge as long as she keeps it a secret. Better yet if she gets a guilty kick out of doing the bully of her son, specifically. I don't enjoy the ''in your face'' cucking of so many stories because it's implausible and I just can't buy it. But people do all sorts of things as long as they think they won't be found out.

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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by Philo B. on Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:54 am

RoamingCat wrote:  My main trauma comes from being raised by a single mother that even sober, was quite promiscuous (Part of latin culture is basically lots of sex, men have mistresses, women are slutty, this is why our race reproduces so damn fast). Alcohol just ramped her sexuality up to 11, but despite that she always tried to keep me out of it. She failed miserably and I was pretty much always aware but it seemed like she genuinely did not mean to do me any harm and in fact, often times her sexual promiscuity came from honest attempts at improving her and my life, usually failed attempts but point stands. Because of this, non full consent is what I am most interested in.

Which of these do you prefer?


Based on your family history, RoamingCat, I understand your interest in non-full consent.  If I may venture an opinion, it sounds like your mom was basically a decent but flawed person whose shortcomings did a lot of damage to her son, even though this damage was not intentional.  She seems like a tragic figure, as in literature, and you were forced to share in this tragedy.  From what you've written, I gather that your mom was preyed upon by life and by her own childhood trauma, which didn't equip her to handle life's challenges and duties (i.e. raising you) in healthy and effective ways.  Underneath her socially confident exterior, I think you were able to see the damaged little girl who was fighting a losing battle.  This has carried over to your desire to see similar characters in literature succumb to sinister, predatory forces beyond their control.  That's a perfectly natural outcome.  (My apologies if I've overstepped my bounds in being so glib with my views on someone I've never met).  

As for me, my mom was a tragic figure in other ways, and I carry a great deal of guilt for not being there for her when she needed me both emotionally and practically.  In the latter case, she got cancer while I was living overseas and was forced to move back in with my dad, who was emotionally inaccessible to her.  She begged me to come home to see her more often (I did only one time), but I didn't make the trip.  When my mom had an accident that, combined with the cancer, rendered her demented, I was 6,000 miles away.  I came home immediately and went straight to her hospital bed.  When she saw me, the first thing she said was "I hate you" in a calm, rational tone.  The pain that caused me was almost supernatural in its intensity, though it was mitigated when I realized that she didn't recognize me or anyone else.  Still, I wondered if a small part of her did recognize me, and she was expressing her anger at my prolonged absence.  She died about 3 weeks later and was never lucid enough for me to say a proper goodbye.  The burden of guilt I still carry after 6 years is not easily dispensed with.  

I think that's why I like the stories in which the mom is slowly corrupted by a lowlife to eventually lose her love for her son in favor of said lowlife.  There are some stories out there that are too extreme for me, including those where the mom bestows physical violence to her son or she feminizes him.  It's difficult for me to suspend disbelief with such over-the-top plot lines.

For me, it's the emotional anguish the son feels as he is forced to face the degradation and ultimate collapse of his mother's love for him that gets me.  The fact that this devolution of her as a person is brought about by someone he despises (the bully) just dumps a tub of salt into an already open wound.  For that reason, the sex between the mom and the bully is remarkably hot and torrid.


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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by RoamingCat on Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:13 pm

Philo B. wrote:Based on your family history, RoamingCat, I understand your interest in non-full consent.  If I may venture an opinion, it sounds like your mom was basically a decent but flawed person whose shortcomings did a lot of damage to her son, even though this damage was not intentional.

Yep , that's how I see it. Though she was quite irresponsible, I don't think she was ever malicious.

 She seems like a tragic figure, as in literature, and you were forced to share in this tragedy.  From what you've written, I gather that your mom was preyed upon by life and by her own childhood trauma, which didn't equip her to handle life's challenges and duties (i.e. raising you) in healthy and effective ways.

That's actually surprisingly accurate.

  (My apologies if I've overstepped my bounds in being so glib with my views on someone I've never met).  

No not at all, I wouldn't be here if I would be easily offended or otherwise uninterested in discussing such a topic. I'm actually very surprised at how insightful that was.

As for me, my mom was a tragic figure in other ways, and I carry a great deal of guilt for not being there for her when she needed me both emotionally and practically.  In the latter case, she got cancer while I was living overseas and was forced to move back in with my dad, who was emotionally inaccessible to her.  She begged me to come home to see her more often (I did only one time), but I didn't make the trip.  When my mom had an accident that, combined with the cancer, rendered her demented

I was following until that last point. It took a hard-turn and I see why you said it was tragic.

For me, it's the emotional anguish the son feels as he is forced to face the degradation and ultimate collapse of his mother's love for him that gets me.  The fact that this devolution of her as a person is brought about by someone you despise (the bully) just dumps a tub of salt into an already open wound.  For that reason, the sex between the mom and the bully is remarkably hot and torrid.

That makes sense and is a good breakdown.

You're pretty smart. I sense you have thought about these things in great depth, thanks for sharing.
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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by Philo B. on Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:55 pm

Glad you found my comments helpful, RoamingCat, and thanks for the kind words.  I've been interested in what makes people (including me) tick since my high school psychology class.  My teacher was this uber-cool, anti-establishment dude who made the course fascinating. Since then, I've done tons of reading on the subject.  

By the way, I think Mathew Elizabeth is also quite insightful.  In "Mommy's Love Denied," there is an excellent embedded analysis of the reasons for Scott's masochistic tendencies in the face of his mother's betrayal.
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Re: Non full consent or complete betrayal?

Post by Broken_Son1010 on Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:40 pm

Oh, that’s a good discussion.

While, as Betrayal, the idea of the mother being a complete slut that don’t really care about her son overall is top notch, I find that when the mom actually cares enough to not make it seem transparent to be much more realistic – and better.

Before realizing that my mom wasn’t really perfect, I thought people could choose what they feel. As in, they could choose not have the hots for someone, or that they could choose not to be horny. But you know, we kind of can’t. Every woman that I’ve met and bonded to some degree, if asked, would tell me almost always the same thing: If they could sleep with other of their choice, without any consequences, would they?

You know what they said? Some did say yes, but others that had partners specified ‘’It depends’’. In an ideal word, they wouldn’t even consider it. People do care, but the question is: Do they care enough?

There’s lots of differences between the relationship of two partners and of a son and a mother. As a son, you will normally trust much more your mom – Because she’s the one that cared about you. There’s always the possibility of your partner cheating on you, but your mom? A mother would never do it, right?
To me, the realization that your mom IS actually like any other person is what does it for me. ‘’Corruptible’’. She can get carried away, she may like to feel good, and she may like cock so much that she may forgot about her son.


Though tbh I am into any other form of non-consensual. If the mom only has sex to save her son from a bully, for example, that`s not really the kind of ``betrayal`` I find arousing, unless she secretly starts to like it or something.
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